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    Slažem se i sa nekim tvojim dodatnim tvrdnjama oko moćnika koji započinju rat. Slažem se i da je problem u mom poznavanju povijesti jer povijest pišu pobijendici i njihovi interesi i teško je znati pravu istinitu povijst jer nje nema ni knjigama a vjerujem teško i u našim glavama.

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  • nesho  - Istorija - povijest, tko sisa buducnost

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    Intersantan ton od fra Tunje! Da je meni netko postavio takvo pitanje, ja bih mu najvjerovatnije odgovorio : ”Ćaća ti je naivčina!”. Al’ pošto nije, onda ništa.

    Što se istorije (povijesti) tiče, za uvod bih želio skrenuti pažnju (pozor) na to da su Francuska i Njemačka od davnina ratovale i bile najveći mogući neprijatelji. Danas su te dvije zemlje dva glava nosača Evropske Unije.

    Kad su mogli oni, onda bi mogli i drugi! Prošlost i njeni ratovi nisu nikada bili dobri i ako ti je to jedina orijentacija u životu onda ćeš uvijek oko sebe samo neprijatelje vidjeti!

    Slažem se sa onom da političari odlučuju o ratu. A narod ratuje. Za mene se uvijek postavlja pitanje zašto je narod toliko lud?

    Tunjo tvrdi: «Milosevic je bio samo “tupo oruzje i orudje “ u njihovim (Engleska, Francuska, Amerika) rukama.Njima je bila prihvatljivija i “Velika Srbija”( o kojoj je sanjao pokojni vozd !”) nego nikakva Jugoslavija.“

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    Jedna mala anekdota: Kad su nekog slovenskog književnika pitali, koliko je Slavoj Žižek važan, onda je ovaj odgovorio: Žižek je svijetu važniji od čitave Slovenije, bez nje bi svijet lako mogao a Žižek bi bio puno veći gubitak svijetu!

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    Sve stare kolonijalne sile pokušavaju realizirati svoje interese i u drugim zemljama. To nije ništa novo. Njima su uglavnom cijene za to nevažne. Ali ima tu jedna sitnica: One to rade elegantno i koriste se NERAZUMOM drugih i njihovim KORUMPIRANIM vođama. Kako to spriječiti? To je teško pitanje. Na to nemam kompletan odgovor.

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    Osim, naravno što je zaboravio spomenuti kako je Hrvatska u oba svjetska rata bila na strani gubitnika. Kako su joj obraz upraljan kvisliškim podglađivanjem Hitleru spasili komunisti i partizani, jer da nije bilo njih u Hrvatskoj ne bi bilo nikoga tko je bio na strani antifašističke koalicije!
    Naravno, zna Fra Tunjo jako dobro da je i Tuđman bio najmlađi titov general, da je Manolić Joža bio partizansko dijete koje su nosili po šumama i gorama. Da je Mesić bio partizan a ne domobran …
    To vam je slično kao kad bi Đukan sada bio u Hdz-ju a bio je okorijeli komunista. Ali Đukan je bar bio toliko dosljedan da se pokupi i ode a ne da kao neki samo primjeni kožu komuniste u kožu HDZ-ovca. A ima takvih na našoj općini kijamet jedan. I to u samom vrhu, od Mikija koji je bio predsjednik saveza socijalističke omladine.
    Ajmo još malo po toj povijesti koju ne znamo. Ali ajmo je gledat i sa drugu stranu ne samo sa onu koja nama paše. Je li Hrvatska platila za to što je bila na pogrešnoj strani u I svjetskom ratu? Zašto srbi nisu naplatili to što su bili na pobjedničkoj strani i to na način da uzmu teritorija. Povijesničari mi rekoše da je to bio veliku srpski proupst.

    Zatim drugi svjetski rat, od Jasenovca i Gradiške stare. Pa nek je u tom jasenovcu ubijeno ne 700 ni 70, nek je ubijeno 7 tisuća ljudi jer nisu hrvati. Povijest kaže da je cifra od 70 tisuća najrealnija. Pa to je 10 Srebrenica.
    Ne bih rekao da je povijest, barem ova oko svjetskih ratova nešto čime bi se mi Hrvati trebali ponosit?
    A i ona starija povijest, i ona je sumorna. Od 12 stoljeća smo bili robovi drugih država. Onda je Strossmayer smislio Jugoslaviju i prvi puta je u njoj Hrvatska nakon stoljeća roptsva imala suverenitet pa makar kao federalna jedinica. Je da je i tu bila pod patronatom srbije a poslije drugog rata i pod patronatom komuniste Tita.
    Tuđman je povijesničar i treba mu vjerovati kad je izjavio kako je Strossmayer htio Jugoslaviju jer je u okviru Jugoslavije vidio Hrvatsku kao najjaču i vodeću. Međutim, srbi su se brže kotili i … ideja o hegemoniji nad njima je time pala u vodu. Iako je ta ideja Strossmayera bila bazirana na tezi o kulturnoj nadmoći hrvata nad poprilični opančarskim srbima.
    I zato nemojmo se buniti protiv Jugoslavija, pa ona je izvorno naša ideja, to što se izvitoperila bolesna želja za hegomonijom nad srbima, to je peh za one koji su tome težili.
    A čudimo se tome što srbi teže da imaju hegemoniju nad Hrvatskom?
    Možda sam naivan ali meni je to sve bolesno!
    Zašto hegemonija a ne suradnja? Danesh je rekao odgovor, onaj tko nema unutranju vrijednost, nema unutarnju sigurnost, ko nema sigurnost ima strah. Strah ga tjera da traži sigurnost na način da pokorava druge podase.
    I dalo bi se pričat o toj povijesti koju ja slažem se u potpunosti, ne poznajem. Ali imam dojam kako je i Fra Tunjo ili ne pozna ili je namjerno selektivno citira.

    Slažem se ipak sa Fra Tunjom da je NATO interesni savez i da njih ne zanima mnogo istina i pravda. Na žalost ljudi su toliko na primitivnoj razini razvoja da su se ograničili na postizanje osobnog interesa bez obzira na to što se on kosi sa istinom i pravdom!

    Na sreću ima pojedinaca koji uzmognu iskočiti iznad sebičnih interesa indvidue ili nacije.
    A Tuđman i Milošević, reko sam što o njima mislim davno na ovom forumu. Ponovit ću: Oni su se igrali šaha životima i sudbinama miliona ljudi. Da bog da gorijeli u paklu!

    Slažem se također das u interesi svjetskih sila bili podijeljeni. Nje...


    Da bi se govorilo o politici treba i dobro poznavati povijest!Ocito da neki diskutanti s ovog portala slabije poznaju povijest.A da bi se i o politici kompetentno govorilo treba sve dogadjaje oko sebe , iz novije povijesti a i ranije, promatrati u kontekstu svjetskih zbivanja!

    Toso, govoreci u postotcima o krivcima za izbijanje nedavnog rata uz “diktatore “ Milosevica i Tudjmana spominje i “treceg bezobraznika NATO !”Negdje sam procitao da oni koji se jako dobro poznaju, to su politicari, odlucuju o ratu,a oni koji se malo ili gotovo nikako ne poznaju ratuju!NATO je vojni savez,a medjunarodna zajednica su politicari koji se jako dobro poznaju i manje im je stalo do istine i pravde,a vise do interesa!

    Rat nije “poceo na mom otoku “ ,da parafraziram Vinka Bresana i njegov film,nego davno prije stvaranje prve , pa druge Jugoslavije , pa padom komunizma, pa rusenjem berlinskog zida… pokusajem stvaranja trece Jugoslavije sa Albanijom umjesto Slovenije.Ta nova tvorevina ne bi se zvala “Treca Jugoslavija “ , nego “Zapadni Balkan!”Stoga sam vec u naslovu “ VANJSKI SAH “ dao naslutiti sto zelim postici svojim osvrtom.Medjunarodna zajednica , poglavito mislim na Ameriku, Englesku i Francusku, je zarko zeljela – iz vlastitih interesa- ostanak Jugoslavije, pa makar i u krnjem obliku!Milosevic je bio samo “tupo oruzje i orudje “ u njihovim rukama.Njima je bila prihvatljivija i “Velika Srbija”( o kojoj je sanjao pokojni vozd !”) nego nikakva Jugoslavija.Zasto? Srbija je trebala biti – a zelja jos postoji da i bude –glavna sila na Balkanu!Sada se odjednom pojavila neka nova sila – HRVATSKA- koja je jaca od Srbije!Ameri,Englezi i Francuzi se pobojase nove ,jake i mocne HRVATSKE, koja je bila saveznik Njemacke u drugom svjetskom ratu, da se ponovno ne stvori neka jaka

    NJEMACKA i na taj nacin bi otupio utjecaj AMERIKE, ENGLESKE i FRANCUSKE u Europi.To su povijesne cinjenice koje ne smijemo zaboraviti!


    Milosevic je kriv stoga sto nije mogao sprijeciti, ni uz upotrebu sile,da HRVATSKA OSTVARI TO SVOJE USTAVOM ZAGARANTIRANO PRAVO !TUDJMAN JE “kriv”



    Toso pise o “nekoj labavoj konfederaciji”! Klasicna mudrost nas je naucila “NE VJERUJ DANAJCIMA NI KAD TI DAROVE NOSE!”

    Jos jedan Tosin biser: “ Onaj koji ne osudi zlocin,kojeg je pocinio pripadnik njegova naroda,zapravo pristaje na taj zlocin!”

    Toso, nas se ne sudi po individualnoj krivnji nego kolektivnoj!Oduvijek su nam pripisivali kolektivnu krivnju:stoga sto smo Hrvati, katolici,sto trazimo ista ona prava koja imaju i drugi narodi i nista vise!Koja bi drzava na svijetu tolerirala da joj netko cetiri duge godine presijece zemlju na nekoliko dijelova i njezine zile kucavice ????Hrvatska nije imala to pravo.

    Toso govori o nekim “balvancicima”,a sto je stajalo i tko iza tih “balvancica” ????

    “NATO TRECI BEZOBRAZNIK”! Ti si Toso naivac.Oni u Hlebinama skupo naplacuju svoju “naivnost” stvarajuci slike “naivne umjetnosti”,a ti poput Jude poljupcem izdajes svoj vlastiti narod!

    Sud u Den Haagu, koji je tvorevina medjunarodne zajednice, nija nista drugo nego produzetak one iste ideje o kojoj sam napisao citavu stranicu- STVARANJE NOVE BALKANIJE – ili

    ZAPADNOG BALKANA! Ono sto Milosevic i njegovi istomisljenici nisu uspjeli sprijeciti – i uz cijenu rata - sad se pokusava za zelenim stolom.

    ZA MENE JE DEFINITIVNO SUD U DEN HAAGU POLITIKANTSKI A NE SUD PRAVDE! Ako na tom sudu za svoja zlodjela i agresiju ne odgovaraju Ameri i Englezi za ono sto cine u Iraku,uskoro i Iranu, a prekosutra i u Siriji, zasto bi onda taj sud bio sud pravde ???


  • Toso  - Zašto je bilo rata?

    Meni se čini fra Tunjo da ste kontradiktorni u slijedećem:

    Prvo me optužujete za moju tvrdnju po kojoj su „krivi i pošteni Srbi ili Hrvati koji nisu spriječili zločince u svojim redovima“.
    A potom citirate „klasičnu mudrost koja veli «TKO ŠUTI, ČINI SE DA PRISTAJE!» „

    Nije li to zapravo potvrda moje gornje tvrdnje, onaj tko ne osudi zločin koji je počinio pripadnik njegova naroda, zapravo pristaje na taj zločin.

    Sve dok baš svi Srbi misle kako su baš svi krivi Hrvati za rat i dok baš svi Hrvati misle kako su baš krvi svi Srbi za rat, sve dok je tako je očito kako svi misle svojom guzicom ne svojom glavom. Ili kako to Fra Tunjo veli emocijama.

    Tko je kriv za rat?
    Ne smatram kako su isključivi krivci Srbi a Hrvati nikako nisu krivi. Kiro Gligorov u Latinici prije par mjeseci reče kako je EU nudila 1990-01 šestorici predsjednika labavu konfederaciju sa 20 milijardi dolara pomoći za reforme Ante Markovića (Hrvata koliko se sjećam?) i ulazak u EU za godinu dvije dana. Ali na to nije pristao Milošević ali ni Tuđman. Svi ostali jesu! Onda su rekli ako pristane Tuđman, Miloševića neće ni pitat. Ali i Tuđman je odbio tu ponudu.

    Znači Tuđman je tada imao šansu izbjeći rat i odvesti Hrvatsku u EU! Ali on to nije htio jer u toj EU on ne bi bio aga kao što je bio diktator dok je vladao.

    Tuđmanu je rat odgovarao jedanko kao i Miloševiću, jer su na račun rata mogli manipulirat ljudima i ostati dugo na vlasti. Sigurno da nije bilo rata njih dva ne bi bili cijelo desetljećje predsjednici diktatori. A njihovu diktaturu niko ne spori. Hrvatska je mogla ući u EU ili 1992 ili 1999 ali Tuđmanu to nije bio interes. Jer on je u mutnom mogao loviti. Isto je i sa Miloševićem! Ako hoćete slažem se malo i gore jer što je južnije to je i tužnije!

    Agresor i žrtva? Tko je žrtva a tko agresor? Srbi stave balvane, Hrvati navale policijom da te balvane ukolne i porokaju se. Tko je tu agresor? Onaj tko je stavio balvane na cestu, onaj tko je krenuo da rasčisti balvane ili oboji? Po meni oboji! Zašto je Hrvatska uopće ratovala sa Srbima, trebala je pravno tražiti međunarodnu arbitražu.
    Zašto se ići tući! Za Srbe važi isto!

    Po meni je jedino odgovor zbog čega je došlo do rata da je on bio interes i Tuđmana i Miloševića.

    I za rat i za ljubav treba dvoje! Gandi, da upravo to, da je umjesto Tuđmana bio Gandi bez obzira na budalu od Miloševića rata ne bi bilo!

    1990 Hrvatska nije bila priznata, tražila je odvajanje od federacije tj Jugoslavije, za Srbe u tadašnjoj federalnoj jedinici Hrvatskoj je to značilo nasilno odvajanje od Jugoslavije koju su oni doživljavali svojom otadžbinom. Pravno su u njoj i bili, jedino su pogriješili što su zaratili jer da nisu nikad ne bi Hrvatska izašla iz Juge. Tako da je Milošević tu napravio najveću glupost, politički je mogao dobiti nešto između federacije i konfederacije Srbije i Hrvatske.
    Hrvatska je dobila nezavisnost upravo na Miloševićevoj gluposti da zarati i primjeni silu koju je imao. Ali sve dok Hrvatska nije priznata kao nezavisna država nije bilo agresije na nju od strane Srbije jer je to jedan država. Nakon priznanja zbog havarije u Vukovaru, tada Srbija svojim angamanom postaje agresor!
    Ali je pitanje isto zašto je Hrvatska pomagala vojno i na sve druge načine Hrvate u BiH, a ovamo se žali što je Srbija pomagala Srbe u RH. Nije li to isto tako agresija kao što je bila agresija Srbije na Hrvatsku. Ili je Hrvatska imala pravo braniti Hrvate u BiH a Srbija nije Srbe u HR?

    Pa šta će, naravno da će ih pomagat. Mene jedino čudi što im nije pomgola i u Oluji i Bijesku, ali očito je Milošević logikom Karađorđeva dogovorio prešutno prepuštanje Krajine Hrvatskoj a za uzvrat uzima pola Bosna. Olu...

  • admin  - VANJSKI ŠAH

    Molio bih Urednike da ovaj moj osvrt ovako i naslove «Vanjski šah « i pod istom temom o kojoj već diskutiramo!Prvotna mi je ideja bila ovako nasloviti moj osvrt na Tošine umotvorine: « TOŠO PONOVNO VUČE MEČKU ZA REP!»

    Zašto ponovno?

    O toj temi smo već razgovarali.Kad je bilo govora o ratu odgovorio sam Neshi ,a to je i Tošo registrirao napisavši da sam mu argumentirano odgovorio!

    O Tošinoj namjeri da bude mirotvorac , kad je riječ o Vidovljanima i Vepričanima ,(tako govore naši stari !) napisao mu je Truman kad mu je poručio da se mani «Gandijeva posla!»

    Tošo ponovno poteže istu temu, izjavivši ovog puta:»KRIVI SU ZLOČINCI I POŠTENI!»

    Kod Toše se očito osjeća proljeće: navrle mu ideje u glavu kao nabujali sokovi u grane drveća!

    Već sam ovdje napisao da Tošo skače «s pete na devetu!» On piše o starijima i nemoćnima i odjednom odluta u Lepnicu (tako mi, relativno mlađi , govorimo!).


    On poručuje svim VIDOVLJANIMA da o ratu treba misliti «racionalno, a ne emotivno!»

    Rat nikad nije bio «racionalna stvar!»On je najgora glupost i besmislica koju je čovjek izmislio, počevši od Kajina i Abela!

    Drugo, svrstati u isti koš ŽRTVU i ZLOČINCA ( AGRESORA ) je uvreda za sve koji su poginuli u obrani roda i doma!KAO I ZA STOTINE TISUĆA PROTJERANIH I MASAKRIRANIH!

    Treće, «vanjski šah «- Tošo prepisuje lekcije od onih u Den Haagu i od onog krajiškog Srbina

    Save Štrbca koji je prvi upotrijebio izraz za legitimni «BLJESAK « i «OLUJU» - «Zločinački pohvat!» -a taj isti izraz upotrebljava i određena Carla de Ponte !

    Četvrto: Međunarodna zajednica pere ruke, poput Pilata kad je osudio Isusa rekavši :»NEVIN SAM U KRVI OVOG PRAVEDNIKA!» zbog svoje neučinkovitosti! Ništa nije učinila da spriječi rat!Zato i naslov :»VANJSKI ŠAH !»Ko danas se sjećam vijesti sa radija «Stotinu tenkova krenulo je iz Beograda prema Vukovaru !» Nisu krenuli da Vukovarcima donesu «leb i sol!»

    Klasična mudrost veli : «TKO ŠUTI, ČINI SE DA PRISTAJE!»

    Peto: Zbog njihove neučinkovitosti danas peru ruke poput Pilata želeći dokazati kako je to bio «građanski rat!»Srbija nije agresor na Hrvatsku i Bosnu i Hercegovinu!!!!

    E pa što je previše –PREVIŠE JE , PA MAKAR DOŠLO I OD TOŠE!

    Fra Tunjo

  • Toso  - Tjelesna aktivnost - biološka neophodnos

    Tjelesna aktivnost - biološka neophodnost!

    Budući sam izrazio sumnju u fiziološke zdravstvene efekte vanjskog šaha na fizičko zdravlje, odnosno krvožilni sustav, čestitam Fra Tunji na razmišljanju kako vanjski šah može bar malo izvući ljude iz zadimljenih gostionica na čist zrak. Uz šahovski utjecaj na moždane vijuge, druženje i kakav takav trening jakosti, uz zabavu i druženje na otvorenom, ako zaživi, vanjski šah će biti lijepa nova ponuda u našem selu.

    Odbojkaška igrališta na pijesku postoje kod crkve i kod škole, problem je jedino što su zarasla jer se nitko na njima nije igrao u zadnje dvije godine. Ali to je stara priča, jer prošla su vremena kada su djeca sama sebi pravila igrališta i svaku šupu koristila kao gol ili objesila koš na štagalj.

    Ne slažem se sa kritikom nogometaša. Prvo, nije važno pobijediti, važno je truditi se i uživati u aktivnosti. Drugo, igrali su u gostima i izgubili jednu utakmicu, ne vidim razloga za rezultatsku zabrinutost, ako su prošle godine bili prvi bit će i ove dobri.

    Nisu problem nogometaši i njihovi rezultati, problem su ostalih 95% Vidovljana koji se ne bave niti jednim sportom ili uopće nisu tjelesno aktivni, osim neki u zemljoradnji što je nedostatno za utjecaj na njihov zdravstveni status.

    Da bi se tjelesnim vježbanjem bitno utjecalo na zdravlje organizma nije dovoljno raditi u polju ili igrati šah, pa makar to bio i vanjski šah. Šta više nije dovoljno ni jednom tjedno poigrat odbojke, košarke, nogometa…potreban je sustavan i sveobuhvatan trening aerobne izdržljivosti i jakosti trbuha i leđa, od minimalno 2, a puno bolje 3 puta tjedno, po sat vremena.

    S ovim u vezi, Pavao Vlahek, ovog tjedna u kolumni na portalu plivazdravlje, kaže slijedeće:

    “Klasičan primjer bavljenja rekreacijom na krivi način, je nogometaš rekreativac koji jednom tjedno igra nogomet sat vremena, gdje u igri dominiraju anaerobna trčanja. Ako ima sreće i ne doživi srčani udar, zbog nakupljene mliječne kiseline slijedeći dan mora uzeti analgetik da bi mogao ustati iz kreveta.

    Savjet gospodinu iz priče bi bio:
    Ispravan redoslijed bi predstavljalo hodanje po sat vremena 3 puta tjedno kroz 1 mjesec, nakon toga lagano trčanje 3 puta tjedno, također mjesec dana, nakon čega se uključe i malo brži intervali od 10 - 15 sekundi trčanja.
    Nakon toga jedini problem je što je vjerojatno u predobroj formi za ostatak ekipe na utakmici.”

    Dodao bih samo kako je i loptačkim sportovima dijelom moguće utjecati na razvoj kondicijskih sposobnosti važnih za zdravlje. Ali tada sportsku aktivnost treba provoditi češće od jednom tjedno i u režimu rada koji nije "stanem i čekam da mi lopta dođe" Treba u igri puno trčat, ali ne makisimalnim sprintevima nego umjerenim tempom!

    Dobro, možda su medicinari i kineziolozi malo bolesni od potrebe da se sportom i tjelesnim vježbanjem, u velikoj mjeri i direktno poboljšava zdravlje i fitnes stanje populacije.

    Ljudi ipak većinom od sporta očekuju prvenstveno zabavu, igru, nadmetanje, druženje … a zdravlje je kod nas ionako tretirana prema paroli „tko još do toga benda“!

    Bez obzira na to dužan sam, zbog svoje struke, citirati „gurua kretanja“, počasnog doživotni predsjednik Svjetskog saveza sportskih medicinara, definitivno najvećeg autoriteta u području utjecaja tjelesnog vježbanja na zdravlje. Wildor Hollmann, koji važi za jednog od najizvrsnijih znanstvenika u Njemačkoj

    „S obzirom na ove dokaze razumljivo je ako se danas konačno odbace rečenice od duhovnih znanstvenika kako je „Sport najljepša sporedna stvar na svijetu“ ili“ Sport je čin pun zabave i bez svrhe“.

    S gledišta medicine i posebno u smislu održanja zdravlja i poboljšanja sposobnosti i efikasnosti

    sport ili ciljani tjelesni trening je postao biološka neoph...


    Pozdravljam Neshinu inicijativu za postavljenjem vanjskog šaha u Vidovicama.Iako nisam šahovski majstor ipak smatram da će ova igra privući naše mlade iz zatvorenih i zadimljenih gostionica, danas se to moderno kaže "kafića",na otvoreno i da zaigraju šaha.Osim toga vidim da nam u nogometanju ne ide pa kao nadomjestak hajmo igrati šah u prirodi.Moja je inicijativa bila da se na školskom igralištu,a isto tako i kod crkve ,sagradi igralište za odbojku na pijesku.Taj je šport sve popularniji u svijetu.Osim toga u Posavini je odbojka šport broj dva, odmah iza nogometa.Sve treba učiniti da naše mlade "natjeramo" da se druže u prirodi i da se bave športom.Na tom je području Tošo bolji "propovjednik" od mene!

    Vratimo se temi iz naslova "VIDOVICE FENJERAŠ " , bolje bi bilo napisati "VIDOVLJANI FENJERAŠI !"Za one manje upućene reći ću da su Vidovice nakon prvog proljetnog kola u Prvoj županijskoj nogometnoj ligi preuzele "fenjer" na začelju tablice.Te iste Vidovice u toj istoj ligi su, još uvijek SLUŽBENI PRVACI!!!
    Što se to dogodilo odjednom? Jesu li Vidovljani preko noći zaboravili igrati nogomet?

    Dobro bi bilo na ovim našim stranicama malo prodiskutirati na tu temu.Nemojte mi samo reći NEMA NOVACA!
    Gospodo moja, nogomet ne igraju novci nego noge i srce! Igrao sam za te iste Vidovice sedamdesetih godina.Dolazio iz Zagreba svake subote i vraćao se ponovno u Zagreb nakon odigrane utakmice.Nema tih novaca tko bi mi mogao platiti za dolazak i odlazak.Svake nedjelje , nakon odigrane utakmice, vraćao sam se vlakom u Zagreb.Putovao sam čitavu noć da bi u ponedjeljak bio na fakultetu.Nakon neprospavane noći uvijek sam govorio "neću više ulagati toliko truda u taj nogomet! "
    Međutim, kad je došao petak ponovno bi otišao na autobusni kolodvor i rezervirao kartu za subotu u 13:30 sati za Županju!
    Nisam mogao ostaviti moje prijatelje na cjedilu.I upravo to druženje nas je držalo skupa i pobjeđivali smo.Tad je bila čast igrati za Vidovice.Vidovljani su nas bodrili i podržavali.Uspjesi nisu izostali!

    Fra Tunjo

  • zdenko  - pohvala za ovu inicijativu

    pohavljujem ovu akciju i njezine inicijatore i nadam se da će se javiti dovoljan broj dobrovaljaca da se figure prevezu do Vidovica

  • nesho  - Prijevoz

    Figure za šah su nabavljene. Pošto nisu tako male, potrebna mi je pomoć za transport. Zbog tog molim sve dobro- i dragovoljce da mi se jave na ako idu za Uskrs kući i ako su spremni ponijeti figuru – dvije. Ako ih podijelimo onda ćemo tako izbjeć carinu.

    Hvala unaprijed

  • Toso  - Umirovljeni šah

    Što se tiče ovog vanjskog šaha i njegovih zdravstvenih efekata, hmmmm…. Nisam baš siguran da on ima velik utjecaj na fizičko zdravlje starijih ljudi. Utjecaj na aerobnu izdržljivost je vrlo nikakva, ali pomaže pojačanju i održavanju jakosti mišića. Međutim, budući pomicanje tako velikih figura može uslijed nepravilne tehnike, dovesti i do bolova u leđima i povrede kralježnice, kad sve zbrojiš dođeš na egal.

    Ono što naši umirovljenici trebaju je šetnja kontinuiranog trajanja sat vremena. Odnosno odlazak nasipom do Izudinovog šljivika i nazad. To bi se moglo kombinirati sa šahom na način da nose šahovsku ploču sa magnetnim figurama obješenu remenom oko vrata. Tako bi mogli šetati i jačati krvožilni, centralno nervni, imuni i ini sustav, i uz put igrat šah.

    Uvijek kad trčim prema Orašju susretnem par oraških umirovljenika (Muslimana) kako šetaju do Mirčetove rampe i nazad u Orašje. Oni uz put razgovaraju i toliko su zaneseni svojom diskusijom da ne primjećuju ništa oko sebe.

    Na žalost, nikada još nisam sreo nekog našeg umirovljenika. Jesam par sredovječnih ljudi koji su vjerojatno dobili uputu od liječnika „ili hodaj ili umri!“

    Mama mi jednom slučajno ispriča kako se jednom početkom sedamdesetih vraćala biciklom, po nasipu, iz Orašja, te se prepala jer ju je cijelo vrijeme pratio pješice neki oraški djed. Pitala ga je zašto je prati a on joj je rekao da šeta zbog očuvanja zdravlja.

    Bilo je to 1970-tih, a od Vidovačkih umirovljenika ni danas nitko ne šeta. Gjde smo mi a gdje je Orašje, a tek Europa?

    Nadam se da se Sveti Šimo neće ljutiti, ali predlažem da njegov grob izmjestimo kod Izudinova šljivika. Predlažem Udruzi „Sveti Šimo“ da ozbiljno razmotri ovaj prijedlog!

    Zašto? Pa stoga što sam znao sresti starije žene kako u procesiji iz Orašja pohode Šimin grob. I zašto sada da Orašani i ostala sela budu aktivni pješaci a naši umirovljenici ne?

    Ili da se ovaj šahovski teren izgradi negdje dalje izvan sela, najbolje ona Smiljanova pečenjarnica u Lepnici. Taman, tamo i nazad po sat vremena laganog hoda gore i nazad. Uz put mogu naši umirovljenici poigrati veliki šah sa Lepničkim.

    Iako, ako bolje pogledaš kod nas osim ovih par ratnih i par inozemnih i nema baš puno nekih umirovljenika. Većinom su to stari ljudi, na žalost uglavnom bez mirovine i staračke sigurnosti!

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