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  • 2008-04-13 22:04:46 |81.3.246.xxx| zoran  - narodnjaci

    ZIVJELA muzika i veselje
    pa nije bitna koja!!!!


    svatko ima pravo da slusa ono sto voli i da se smatra onim stoje i odakle je pa makarto bila i nasa BOSNA-POSAVINA


    Pa i Tunjo nek se smatra cim on hoce ali neka ne tjera druge da budu sta on hoce i da slusaju sta on hocejer tume podjeca na TITA !!!!!!!!

    POZDRAV

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  • 2008-04-13 20:29:07 |85.10.18.xxx| Jela  - Žalosno, ali istinito

    Sve ovo što naša mladež sluša je dijelom i rezultat našeg odgoja. Umjetnost ne poznaje granice, vjere, nacionalnosti, samo pitam se da li su tvrdi narodnjaci umjetnost. Prije bih rekla da su nasilje za uši, slaba hrana za dušu i otrov za poštenje. Čini mi se da nema goreg naroda od nas Hrvata, jer uvijek kupimo tuđe, očupano perje. Zar nemamo naše lijepe narodne pjesme, zar šargija nije dio posavskog etnosa, konačno zar sevdalinka nije i naša?
    I moja su djeca odrasla u drugoj kulturi, trudila sam se da im udahnem i naš hrvatski duh, ljubav prema našoj pjesmi i naučila sam jih da razlikuju žito od kukolja.
    Bila sam u Vidovicama prije rata, bila sam i u ratu i vidjela zgarište umjesto krasne crkve, ne mogu vjerovati da sinovi i unučad onih, koji su iz zgarišta gradili život, slušaju Cecu.
    Nadam se da će barem kler pomoći tamo gdje su zakazali dom i obitelj. Isto tako se nadam da će cure iz Salzburga (a i one iz Vidovica) shvatiti da Ceca i turbo folk ne sude u naš civilizacijski korpus.
    Roditelji, probufdite se. Još nije kasno.

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  • 2007-11-16 21:07:01 |85.94.147.xxx| Toso  - Čavoljak?


    Jerak begenišem naše stare rječi naletio sam na zanimljivu zbirku istih na stranici

    http://www.tolisa.info/index.php?option=com_glossary&Itemid=89

    Odabrao sam nekoliko meni zanimljivih

    čavoljak

    čoklanjit

    ispotija

    karafeka

    manisat

    odjazit

    tvarizat

    uzočas

    ugoj

    ćenifa

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  • 2007-10-26 22:01:36 |85.94.146.xxx| Toso  - A ljudi se kupaju na Savi

    Otkako je na ovom portalu krenula rasprava o narodnjacima skinuo sam sebi sa weba nekoliko naslova. Tek toliko da problem osjetim na vlastitoj koži.

    Najviše mi se svidjela pjesma Zdravka Čolića „Druže Tito mi ti se kunemo“, jest da nije narodnjak ali budući su narodnjaci glazba mojeg djetinjstva a ovo je pjesma iz mog djetinjstva, asociram me na to vrijeme.

    „Veselje se širi na sve strane, sad slobodno po zemlji idemo. Al velike pamtit ćemo dane, druže tito mi ti se kunemo…“

    Isto tako dobro budi sjećanja iz djetinjstva i pjesma „Drugarice posadimo cvijeće kuda vojska druga tita kreće, ovo nam je naša borba dala da imamo tita za maršala…“

    Tko želi podsjetiti se tih pjesama neka mi se javi poslat ću mu na mail. Toplo preporučam.

    „Padaj silo i nepravdo, narodni je sudnji sat. Bjež te od nas morske tmine, svanuo je i naš dan…“


    Ili odlomak iz Valter brani Sarajevo: „ Merkwürdig, seit ich in Sarajevo bin suche ich Valter und finde ihm nicht. Jetzt wenn ich gehen muss, weiß ich wer Valter ist… Sehen sie diese Stadt, das ist Valter!“


    U potpunosti se slažem sa Fra Tunjom i čudim se kako ljudi danas mogu slušati narodnjake pored onako dobrih pjesama kao što su one gore navedene?


    Sad ozbiljno!

    Zašto ljudi slušaju narodnjake? Zašto ljudi općenito slušaju šund glazbu kao što su narodnjaci, zabavnjaci, pop, rok, tehno …

    Zašto ne slušaju klasičnu glazbu? Jer jasna je poruka stručnjaka: Klasična i ozbiljna glazba je najvrjednija i najviše može djelovati na čovjeka, na njegovo zdravlje i razvoj!

    I sad pored Mozarta, Bethovena, Mrvice i sl. ljudi slušaju neke lake note bez vrijednosti i smisla! Nije li to gubljenje vremena?


    Povukao bih tu paralelu sa sportom i tjelesnim vježbanjem. Ako pitate liječnika ili kineziologa koja tjelesna aktivnost je najbolja za ljudsko zdravlje reći će vam ciljani kondicijski trening za razvoj motoričkih sposobnosti (aerobna izdržljivost, jakost i fleksibilnost). A ljudi se i dalje bave sportovima kao što su kuglanje, šah, pecanje, pa i mnogi drugi popularniji sportovi (košarka, nogomet...).
    Pitamo se zašto ljudi slušaju laganu i ne baš posebnu vrijednu glazbu za njihovo zdravlje ili zašto se ne bave onim tjelesnim aktivnostima koje najbolje doprinose njihovom zdravstvenom statusu?

    Odgovor je jasan, ljude ne zanima korist nego zabava i opuštanje. Zato oni slušaju lake note i igraju se a ne slušaju teške note i ne provode teški kondicijski trening.

    Ako od nečeg očekuješ da te zabavi tada ne gledaš koliko je to vrijedno po nekim stručnim kriterijima nego biraš ono što tebe najviše zabavlja. Neko odabere narodnjake a neko kuglanje (vjerojatno ponajgora opcija), neko drugi odabere zabavnjake i nogomet (malo bolja opcija od malo prije) a ima i onih koji odaberu Bethovena i ciljani kondicijski trening (njima obično nije do zabave nego do osobnog razvoja).


    Kad to sve sagledam sa aspekta koristi mislim da je bolje da ljudi igraju nogomet nego da pecaju ili gađaju glinene golubove. Shodno tomu bolje da slušaju Tošu (naravno Proeskog, pokoj mu duši) nego Cecu. Ali sve je to daleko od optimalnog.

    S druge strane ako se neko želi samo zabaviti tada nek izabere ono što mu je najveći gušt svejedno što.

    Fra Tunjo je postavio tri pitanja na kraju zadnjeg javljanja. Pa da shodno mojoj filozofiji gore iznesenoj pokušam dati i odgovore.


    “1.Tko sluša takvu vrstu glazbe?“

    Onaj koga takva glazba zabavlja!

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    Jeri h zabavlja!

    “3.Kakve efekte postiže takva vrsta glazbe?“

    Zabavlja ih!


    Prosto ko pasulj! Uz napomenu da su zadnja znanstvena istraživanja potvrdila kako ni pasulj više nije prost. Hvala Bogu, napokon! To sam tvrdio godinama, kako pasulj može biti prost kad ga je onako teško trgat. Najgori i nateži i najmrži mi posao ili shodno gornjoj fil...

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  • 2007-10-26 13:03:37 |212.241.70.xxx| admin  - UVOZNO HRVATSTVO I IZVOZNO BOSANSTVO

    SALZBURG

    UVOZNO HRVATSTVO I IZVOZNO BOSANSTVO

    Ovih dana čitam u jednoj uglednoj bosansko-hercegovačkoj katoličkoj reviji,ono hercegovačkoj napominjem samo reda radi jer se država tako zove punim imenom,da u Bosni postoji +uvozno hrvatstvo tuđmanovskog ,domoljublje thompsonovskog i duhovnost sudčevskog tipa!;I još k tome: to sve ometa izgradnju +vlastitog identiteta u ovoj zemlji

    Bosni i Hercegovini!;

    Na hodočašću Hrvata katolika iz Bosne i Hercegovine u Mariju Bistricu ,ove jeseni, prvi čovjek Crkve u Hrvata u toj istoj državi , nadbiskup i kardinal Vinko Puljić, veli da smo mi jedan narod u dvije države!

    Ako smo mi jedan te isti narod u dvije države zašto bi onda Tuđmanovo rodoljublje ,

    Thompsonovo domoljublje i Sudčevo bogoljublje bilo +uvozno; ?

    U svojoj knjžici +MALI KLJUČ POVIJESTI CRKVE U HRVATA + autor knjige vlč.Živko Kustić kaže: +Mi smo po vjeri katolici,a po narodnosti Hrvati.Živimo u svojoj domovini uglavnom između rijeke Drave i Jadranskog mora,ali nas ima i na širem području bivše države i po drugim državama Europe i po drugim kontinentima.Po krvi i jeziku braća su nam svi Hrvati, i oni koji ne vjeruju u Boga ili koji drugačije vjeruju.Po vjeri su nam braća svi kršćani katolici cijelog svijeta.Ima, dakle,Hrvata koji nisu katolici; ima i katolika koji nisu Hrvati.Ali mi koji se okupljamo u svoje crkve i vjeronaučne dvorane da hrvatskim jezikom slavimo Boga,mi koji hrvatskim jezikom svjedočimo katoličku vjeru- mi smo Hrvati i katolici!Zato se zovemo hrvatski katolici ili katolički Hrvati!;

    ( Mali ključ povijesti Crkve u Hrvata, Zagreb 1981.godine ,str.10.)

    Nije mi jasno zašto neki pojedinci, iz određenih krugova, imaju potrebu nametati nam neku novu naciju i neko novo kršćanstvo?Je li to pokušaj globalizacije i amerikanizacije Bosne?

    Takvima je prihvatljivije ono komšićevsko: rođen sam u hrvatskoj obitelji,ali Hrvat nisam,kršten sam u Katoličkoj crkvi,ali katolik nisam!

    Kojim jezikom govorite?Bosanskim!Još bi trebalo gospodina priupitati:A kojim pismom pišete?

    Vjerojatan odgovor bi bi bosančicom!

    Ono što je do jučer bilo +jugoslavenstvo; neki bi danas htjeli da to bude +bosanstvo!;

    Takvi nam žele nametnuti tezu:Niste vi Hrvati nego bosanski katolici!Čista ideologija!

    Netko je zgodno rekao:;Tirani nemaju ni nacije ni narodnosti.Oni su svi pripadnici istog soja!;

    Na opasnosti globalizacije i amerikanizacije upozora američki novinar Patrik J.Buchanan u svojoj knjizi +SMRT ZAPADA +.Knjiga je prevedena i na hrvatski i može se kupiti kod izdavača Kapitol – Zagreb 2003.

    Spomenuti autor na 154. stranici definira naciju kao jedan narod s zajedničkim podrijetlom,jezikom,kniževnošću,povijesti,naslijeđem,narodni m junacima,običajima,navikama i vjerom.

    Sam autor navodi kao negativnost da ni Amerikanci danas nemaju više jednako mišljenje gleda vrijednosti, povijesti i junaka.No Amerikanci si mogu dopustiti takav luksuz koji bi za nas Hrvate bio samoubilački.

    Isti autor navodi primjer iz Drugog svjetskog rata da bi pokazao koliko je važna ljubav prema domovini.Kad je Hitler napao Rusiju u Drugom svjetskom ratu onda drug Staljin nije govorio o ljubavi prema bolješevizmu nego o ljubavi prema majčici Rusiji!

    Imao sam priliku razgovarati s kapetanom hrvatske nogometne vrste gospodinom Nikom Kovačem kako on tumači uspjehe hrvatske nogometne vrste?

    Za njega je ljubav prema domovini, koju ima ova generacija, odlučujuća! Većina ih je rođena u inozemstvu.Relativno su materijalno dobro situirani i nije im novac na prvom mjestu.Oni žele svojim zalaganjem dokazat...

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  • 2007-10-24 09:57:08 |84.44.138.xxx| Lili  - muzika

    Bog svima

    ja sam se rodila u njemackoj i zivim u njemackoj ja sam bila svaki odmor u vidovicama ja ne kazem da ne sluzam njemackku ili englesku muziku ali i slusam nase pjesme od dino merlina colonia ili lepa brena isto tako draganu ili viki ima puno dore muzike moja nova muzika je dosla iz indije i ona je ljepo slusati ali ja se opet vratim svojoj muzik iz bosne i iz Hrvaske jer mi je srce i krv bosanska

    svim imaju pravo to slusat sta vole bez obzira ce su roditi ili ciju putovnicu imaju


    pozdrva lili

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  • 2007-10-23 19:10:17 |194.153.217.xxx| nesho  - i ja se pitam...

    Dugo sam odolijevao na ovaj poziv fra Tunje, ali sad se moram odzvati pozivu. Hvala, fra Tunjo!

    “Lijepa naša i narodnjaci”!

    “Sve tri cure koje sam sreo na pješačkoj zoni u Salzburgu rođene su ovdje, kažu da su Hrvatice , roditelji im posjeduju austrijsku putovnicu i oni tvrde isto, cure slušaju Stoju,Cecu, Mileta, Martu...”

    Djevojke slušaju ono što im se sviđa i što se sluša po Osijeku, Vinkovcima, Zagrebu, na Jadranu… Znači djevojke slušaju ono što se sluša širom Hrvatske!

    Ja ne vidiim razlog zašto bi djevojke rođene u Austriji trebale biti ograničene na hrvatsku muziku. Nema smisla praviti se svetijim od Pape (austrijska poslovica). Neki ljudi ne mogu shvatiti da svatko ima pravo birati što će slušati! To je pitanje ukusa i tržišta!

    Ako se već pokušava praviti reklama za hrvatsku muziku, onda ne vidim razloga što navoditi ova dva ratna profitera Thompsona i Škoru pored toliko dobre hrvatske muzike. Samo njih navesti je stvarno blaćenje te stvari. Meni tu padaju sasvim druge ekipe na um, ali ja ih ne želim drugima NAMETATI!

    “I još zakraj «da mi zasoli «kaže što vi paroci i fratri ne tjerate «hrvatstvo?»”
    Stvarno dobro pitanje. Ja stvarno ne znam zašto to ne čine, valjda su zato svećenici na ovom svijetu! Nema ničeg važnijeg u ovom trenutku…

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  • 2007-09-04 23:44:28 |85.94.146.xxx| Toso  - Narodnjaci ili Englezi?


    Da bih mogao pisati o ovoj temi morao sam posegnuti za Tomom Zdravković i njegovom glazbom i upravo kaže


    „Dotako sam dno života i pakao i ponore …duboko je, daleko je, ja osjetih svu gorčinu, dotako sam dno života sad vjerujem u sudbinu.“

    „Samo tužne noći znaju da je volim …. Samo srce moje ne zna dal će moći ove noći da izdrži sve. Dugo dugo zoru ranu čekam uzalud, hej živote sreće nemam tugo sreće. Nemam nemam sreće nigdje ništa, ostao sam …. Ostao sam sam suzo vrela tugo golema“

    „Ne kosite rosnu travu, ne lomite mladu granu, ostavite cvetna polja nek cvijetaju za Ljiljanu … sve što osta od života ja bih dao za Ljijanu“

    „Svirajte noćas samo za nju, ja ću da pevam tugejem i plaćam. Svirajte noćas kao da je tu ikako je samo u mislima vraćam“

    Da, narodnjaci stvarno znaju imat tekst boli glava, jadikovke do bola!


    Nekada sam slušao radio stanice šabac i loznicu. Poslije sam u Zagrebu spoznao da ima i druge glazbe osim narodne i danas mi se uglavnom ovi novi narodnjaci ne dopadaju.

    Imam nekih izezetaka, na primjer Džej ima sjajnu pjesmu u stilu Thompsona

    „ Gdje ću sada moja zvijezdo svud me prati oblak siv, kiše mi ruše gnijezdo a ja nisam ništa kriv. Niko me neće ni na čiji ne smijem prag, gdje ću sada moja ružo nigdje nikom nisam drag…“

    Ili ona od Hanke Paldum

    „Prolazi moja mladost dolaze druga vremena, ono što je nekad bilo toga danas više nema.

    Ali pamtim još one livade one rijeke, one šume i puteljke staru majku dok se smije i ognjište dok me grije.


    Sada imam što sam htio, o čemu sam nekad snio. Trebalo bi da sam sretan a ja sam to nekad bio!

    Ali pamtim još one livade one rijeke, one njive, šume i puteljke …

    Došli su novi dani drugim se životom živi, uzeo sam što sam htio drugi mi nisu krivi

    Ali pamtim još…“


    Ili Luis sa

    „Dunjo moja zrela moje sunce milo nisi smjela drugom da sjedneš u krilo, nisi smjela dunjo vrela, a šta ti je bilo, mjesto meni nekom drugom da sjedneš u krilo“


    Što mislim općenito o turbo folku?

    On je posljedica nepoznavanja engleskog jezika, kada bi naša omladina znala engleski sigurno ne bi slušali jadnu srpsku glazbu, a bojim se ni hrvatsku!

    Nek sluša što komu paše, meni recimo gode dosta Novi Fosili

    „Godine idu lete ko minute i slike lako žute, dunjo mirisna. Godine idu i djeca već su ljudi jer vrijeme svima sudi, dunjo mirisna!“


    Iako u zadnje vrijeme dobro se uklopi i ona narodna:

    „Došlo vrijeme izdaje me snaga, napušta me moj jarane mladost moja draga.

    Nije mene ubilo oranje, već po noći moj jarane po naspi trčanje"

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